The Cross Chart
posted by Bob | 4:58 PM
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Bob, one thing I noticed looking at the cross diagram this time around is the conversion point. Maybe I missed it all the other times I've looked at it or maybe it has been different in the past, I dunno. I had remembered the conversion point being at the initial divergence of the two lines. Here, and on Sunday, I see you've placed it a little further down the timeline. Very interesting. A bit more accurate to true conversion, no? One doesn't usually enter into a saving faith until they've begun to truly see their sinfullness compared to God's holiness.
Maybe it's a bit off topic, but I thought I'd share anyways. :)
yep... good eyes. Conversion is a funny thing. Definitely happens at a defined "point in time" theologically speaking (i.e. from God's perspective), but on our end, it usually looks/feels a little bit more like a process. We all know people who think they're converted, but aren't; and we all know people who have experienced TRUE conversion at a point much later than their initial "commitment to Jesus."
Don't know if I have an appropriate comment on it yet, but I did want to share a Piper article that I stumbled upon which really digs deep into what happens at conversion and the tensions between "commitment to Jesus" without deep knowledge of the gospel and "saving faith" (that was a long sentence). Here it is:
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByTopic/57/1496_Letter_to_a_Friend_Concerning_the_SoCalled_Lordship_Salvation/
I wasn't at CD for these talks. I guess my question is,. . what about children coming to know Christ?
It seems the more "complicated" (bad word, I know) that we make the Salvation process, the more it seems like you can't be truly redeemed until you know alot more than say a 5 year-old would know.
I know that probably some of this is semantics, and I definitely don't want to be in the camp of folks who dumb down the salvation process, or getting into dichotomies between savior and Lord, etc. . . . . .But, I would hate for us to go to far the other way as well.
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